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authorJoey Hess <joeyh@debian.org>2005-07-19 13:24:16 +0000
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+5 intro
+10 how it works
+5 how to help
+10 how well it works
+?? next steps
+15 questions/discussion
+--
+45 minutes
+
+intro:
+ What is the testing distribution:
+ - Query audience: Who doesn't know how testing works.
+ - Automatically stabelised version of unstable.
+ - Dependency, testing delay and RC bug metrics used to
+ decide when to update packages.
+ - Unique amoung linux distributions.
+ - Unique challenges, including security.
+
+ Why testing cannot be secured: <next slide>
+ All of these are real challenges the team faces.
+
+ - Query audience: raise hands if you use testing
+ (Don't worry, the camera isn't pointing at you -- noone
+ will know!)
+
+ Using testing is still attractive:
+ - desktop users
+ - custom Debian distributions
+
+
+how it works:
+
+ Team:
+ - Formed last fall (5 years after testing)
+ - Open team of DDs and non-DDs
+ - Members participate because:
+
+ - Hired by custom Debian distro that is based on testing.
+ (Skolelinux, Univention Corporate Server)
+ - University deploying sarge on a large scale
+
+ (Above is 1/2 of team; which explains why it took
+ this long to start the team)
+
+ which needs to keep track of security issues anyway.
+ - Want testing to be usable by our users and for faster
+ releases.
+ - Want to make unstable more secure.
+ - Like the transparency of the team.
+ - "It's fun"
+ - Team is designed to scale well and be easy to grow.
+ - Low barriers for entry to team.
+ - No team members currently have priviliged info (vendor-sec).
+ - And we don't care! Much.
+
+ Data:
+ - [ Maybe do a quick demo of running through CAN list ]
+ - Track data from DSAs, CVE ids, debbugs, full-discolsure, bugtraq.
+ Mostly CVE.
+ - Not vendor-sec -- open team
+ - Use simple database to track holes
+ - Just keeping up with this data is a large portion of our work.
+ - And it's parallizable.
+ - And its very helpful if all debian changelogs mention CVE ids.
+
+ Getting things fixed:
+ - Team members work on finding/writing patches and bug filing.
+ - Some (DD) members work on NMUs to unstable.
+ - In the future, we hope to do advisories and NMUs via
+ testing-security direct to testing.
+
+how to help:
+
+ DDs: <next slide>
+
+ anyone:
+ - grab an unfixed bug from the page, fix it, file a bug
+ with a patch, NMU as necessary, communicate to the team the
+ fixed package version and bug number.
+ - join the team, help check CANs, develop policy, etc
+ - ideas/patches to improve the interface, website and translations
+ - adapt the changelog autochecker from ubuntu (the python script
+ that scans ubuntu changelogs and generates
+ http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve.html)
+
+how well it works: "Lies, damn lies, and .."
+
+ - Stats arn't my thing.
+ - Too busy working to try to gather much data.
+ - Most time-to-fix comparisons are innately flawed in one way or
+ another.
+ - Show the tracking page and explain how to read.
+ - One comparison: <next slide>
+ - Better comparisons would involve looking at kernel security holes
+ - Or putting up honeypots
+
+next steps
+
+ - making DTSA announcements
+ - getting fix delay down to 4 days
+ - i386 support to start with
+ - autobuilders, etc..
+
+<last slide>

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